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John Coltrane Talks to Jazz News

When the John Coltrane Quintet visited Britain in 1961 with the Dizzy Gillespie Quintet, on a Jazz at The Philharmonic tour, he sat down with a few different journalists during the tour. Jazz News, which was a weekly music paper, published their interview in late December. This was the first and only time Trane was in the country.

 JAZZ NEWS — Wednesday, December 27th 1961


WHEN I first joined Miles in 1955

I had a lot to learn. I felt I was

lacking in general musicianship.

I had all kinds of technical prob-

lems, for example, I didn’t have the

right mouthpiece, and I hadn’t the

necessary harmonic understanding.

I am quite ashamed of those early

records I made with Miles. Why he

picked me, I don’t know. Maybe he

saw something in my playing that

he hoped would grow. I had this

desire, which I think we all have,

to be as original as I could, and

as honest as I could be. But there

were so many musical conclusions

I hadn’t arrived at, that I felt in-

adequate. All this was naturally

frustrating in those days, and it

probably came through in the

music.


I've been told my playing is

‘angry’. Well, you know musicians

have many moods, angry, happy,

sad — and since those early days

perhaps more sides of my musical

nature have been revealed on re-

cords. I don’t really know what a

listener feels when he hears music.

The musician may feel one way and

the listener, may get something

else from the music.


Some musicians have to speak

their anger in their playing. The

beauty of jazz is that you’re free

to do just what you feel. But while

their playing might express anger,

I wouldn’t know whether they’re

angry as people or not. If a man

can play well, I get an elation from

his music, even if he’s playing

angry and hard. An aggressive

frame of mind can create pretty

stern music. But this may well be

a very rewarding experience for

the listener. You can get a feeling

of expectancy and fulfilment in a

solo, and an artist of ability may

lead you down paths in music

where many things can happen.

I'd hate to think of an audience

missing out on music, because they

think it’s nothing but anger.


Change is inevitable in our music

— things change. A big break with

the dancing tradition of jazz came

in the forties with Diz and Bird.

You got broken rhythms, complic-

ated harmonic devices. There is so

much beauty still in this music,


Then almost ten years later,

Miles, who’d been with them at the

beginning, swung over to the other

side again. You can dance to most

of Miles’ most popular things —

like “Green Dolphin Street”. Now,

in the music of people like Cecil

Taylor and Ornette you have a

swing back to broken rhythms

again. It’s a fact that everything

in life is action and reaction. Things

evolve, not necessarily consciously.

But there are certain elements

that are inherent in jazz, and you

must be watching for them. If those

elements are there, you'll get it.


Mingus says “the best beat must

go” and I, admit I don’t love the

beat, in the strict sense. At this

phase I feel I need the beat some-

where, but I don’t really care about

the straight 4/4 at all — though

this is just a personal feeling. In

a rhythm section I like propulsion

and a feeling of buoyancy, which

fits under and around the horn,

and has a lift to it. A sense of the

pulse, rather than the beat, can

take you out of a stodgy approach.

And, of course, you can swing on

other time signatures than 4/4. But

what happens depends on the mus-

icians I have playing with me.


Choice of material is entirely

individual. I've played some jazz

forms so long and so much that

I feel the need for other forms, and

perhaps for no form. When I start-

ed the group, I used to plan routines

like mad, now I don’t have to plan

so much, as I learn and get freer.

Sometimes we start from nothing,

no ‘in’ plan, no intro. or solo routi-

nes. I know how it’s going to end

— but sometimes not what might

happen in between! I try to accept

songs as they are, with a different

approach for everything. I make

suggestions to the group, as to what

I feel, and we use this as a starting

point.


I like extended jazz works, and

written compositions, if they're

well done. I’m studying and learn-

ing about longer constructions. If

I become strong enough I might try

something on those lines. I don’t

study the music of any particular

period, but harmony and form from

a natural standpoint. I try to look

at it all. I want to understand

music, so that I can do things in

an objective way. So far, I’ve only

written from the piano, with mel-

odies that come out of the chords.

I'd like to be able to write away

from the piano. It is very useful,

though, as you have a whole band

under your hands with a piano,

and it’s the best thing for working

on chord forms.


Progress in jazz can be made con-

sciously — think of Sonny Rollins

— he was back in November

and we'll: see something! Sonny

“retired” before, and when he

came back, he’d added quite a bit.

I admire his tremendous powers

of concentration. You have to do

a lot of work consciously, then you

can leave the rest to your sub-

conscious later on.


Jazz is a companionable thing,

and I like playing in smaller

places, so that I can see what

people feel. 1 would like my music

to be part of the surroundings,

part of the gaiety of a club atmo-

sphere. I realise I’m in the enter-

tainment business, and I'd like to

be sort of guy who can set audiences

at ease. If you go about music

without a smile, people think you’re

not happy. I don’t make a habit of

wishing for what I don’t have, but

I often wish I had a lighter nature.

Dizzy has that beautiful gift — I

can’t say “Be happy, people”, — it’s

something I can’t command. But

you have to be true to your own

nature.


May I say, though, that when I

go to hear a man, as long as he

conducts himself properly, and

moves me with his music, I am

satisfied. If he should happen to

smile, I consider it something added

to what I have received already, if

not, I don’t worry because I know

it is not wholly essential to the

music.

Ref : Jazz News 1961; Photo - Jazz Magazine No 78 1962 (France) Photographer unknown




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